Stainless steel barrels are used for long range accuracy. The two standard barrels with nitride bores were procured from Manufacturer X and were second in erosion resistance in that these barrels were fired 29, 874 and 26, 774 rounds before rejection. This is the next logical step in non-chrome lined barrels, bringing the durability of hammer forged barrel steel to the affordable and accurate Freedom line of uppers. It'll have an A2-ish profile. in order for me when talking about durability. In order to apply coatings like chrome, dlc, or nickel boron, parts must be made under tolerance, to account for the surface coating that will be going on top. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. Nitride (two left black ones) is smooth while stainless is…stainless. Rubbing against anodized aluminum that has the hardness approaching tungsten carbide is going to wear away NiB too. Melonite is a form of nitriding so it's really asking phosphate vs. nitrided. Remember this temperature for later. Aug 26, 2012 #1 . "Do not overthink it, gentlemen. The only negative thing I have found with this process on AR barrels is that if one is assembled into the barrel extension incorrectly, the barrel may actually unscrew from the extension. Nitride. Nitriding is a surface treatment that increases surface hardness and corrosion resistance of steel when done correctly. Both extend life similarly. Aug 26, 2012 #1 . they are 4150v steel, but are not chrome lined and just phosphate finished. We're going to find out at what point this rifle will fail and take a look at what the barrel will look like when we get done with it. Not the best picture. Leave a Reply Cancel reply. I use PSA 20 in CHF barrel one of my rifles and get about 1 to 1.5 groupings at 100 yrds non free floated. Proud Deplorable. Nitride is supposed to be a little tougher and I like the smooth look. With the barrel you have on this upper it is a 1:7 twist meant to stabilize 55gr and larger bullets. Ballistic Advantage, Faxon, and Rosco Barrels are manufactured in the U.S.A by hardworking men passionate about barrel-making. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. That is due to the way phosphorus reacts with low carbon, which can cause embrittlement. That backs up … The nitride barrel life is all dependent on how you treat it. Joined: Aug 24, 2008 Messages: 1,231. Say you're going to buy a 16" chrome moly barrel for you AR, use will be general shooting, plinking, toting around and shooting. Have a similar one in nitrate that shoots fine. Another popular barrel treatment is phosphate coating. Chrome is far more expensive to dispose of since it is incredibly toxic. Got one of the Black Friday deals, 10.5 nitride with a KAC shockwave and MOE furniture. 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Palmetto State Armory Nitride Barrel Accuracy Test: Initial Run . AznZOhAn New Member. The rest of the series can be found at the links below: Part 1: Intro, Fundamentals, and Manufacturing of AR Barrels Does the ones you're looking that list phosphate also list it as "chrome lining: no"?? The advantages of a phosphate vs nitride barrel is outlined here. AznZOhAn New Member. Chrome lined barrels are typically phosphate parkerized to protect the exterior steel from rusting, but this exterior finish does not offer the same level of corrosion resistance offered by the salt bath nitriding treatment. You should retry this using a 55gr cartridge instead. Nitride has many advantages but it is not mil-spec for BCGs and that is an important consideration for some. I watched mr gunsngears meltdown video. Phosphate is just fine, requires plenty of lube, but will last a long time. It'll have an A2-ish profile. The nitriding process serves to enhance corrosion resistance on both the interior and exterior of the barrel. Poor soul, you were just too high strung." No chrome lining on the bore. At the end of the day this is not a huge reason to choose a Nickel Boron BCG, it's just a little benny that comes along for the ride. They both shoot steel etc no issues. Both are reliable and accurate. To protect the outside of the barrel, a phosphate coating is typically added. The nitriding process serves to enhance corrosion resistance on both the interior and exterior of the barrel. •Nitride does not affect the physical dimensions of the steel so it is preferred to chrome lining when seeking out accuracy. It did not drop fit in and they needed to have a gun smith custom fit the barrel which I opted to hold off. Phosphate coating can be applied to both the barrel and bolt … It also requires less lubricant to work well and is easier to clean. If you’re past the first AR-15 and want to dive into the world of customization, or even building your own, then this article is for you. Because of the silvery color it's also easier to see where the dirt is and you also know when it is clean much easier than with a black nitride or phosphate BCG. Nitride: Nitride is used to harden the metal which vicariously increases the lifespan of the barrel. That being said, our nitride barrel life span for average use is 12,000 rounds. I have like 5. HC and nitride coating cause the same substrate cracking. Have both CL and Nitride barrels, all function as intended and are accurate. Only downside to nitride barrels are they do not break in over time, once you do you initial break in, the grouping you get is all your ever going to get until the barrel … It's only a gunfight, not an IRS tax audit." I am about 75% done with my first build. That means its good inside the AR-15 or on the outside. -- Clint Smith. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons! Palmetto State Armory 10.5'' Nitride 5.56 AR-15 Pistol: The Best Truck Gun? AR15.COM is the worldâs largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. First off, I am an amateur shooter and just enjoy doing this sort of thing on the weekends. Barrels 2, 3, 588, and 590B were … For example, the Palmetto State Armory Freedom 16″ AR-15 Carbine’s phosphate coating is durable, but rough. I took apart the free-floating 5.56 and Wylde. Nitriding has several trade names such as Melonite, Tenifer, QPQ, Salt Bath Nitride, and others. Chrome lined barrels are typically phosphate parkerized to protect the exterior steel from rusting, but this exterior finish does not offer the same level of corrosion resistance offered by the salt bath nitriding treatment. Only downside to nitride barrels are they do not break in over time, once you do you initial break in, the grouping you get is all your ever going to get until the barrel life has ended. Phosphate vs Nitride Barrel. A barrel that is nitrided is going to be more accurate that a chrome lined barrel because chrome plating takes away some of the sharpness of the rifling. Smooth is fast, fast is smooth; I've never seen a stopwatch in a gun fight. Straight gas tubes… This is a hard coat anodized and forged 7075-T6 A3 AR upper. However a phosphate BCG against a carbon steel or stainless steel barrel is not a good idea. I have a 10 year old phosphate BCG that I NP3âd for 3Gun, still looks good after thousands of rounds a year for 10 years. All Rights Reserved. Still need a buffer assembly, bolt … Melonite and nitride are the same thing and better than phosphate. That means its good inside the AR-15 or on the outside. Mega has 416R stainless barrels that are nitride treated. Black Nitride. That being said, our nitride barrel life span for average use is 12,000 rounds. breamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,511 Senior Member. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”. Nitride VS Cerakote. Sample size of 2, YMMV. Nitride: Nitride is used to harden the metal which vicariously increases the lifespan of the barrel. Say you're going to buy a 16" chrome moly barrel for you AR, use will be general shooting, plinking, toting around and shooting. I accidentally purchased a phosphate 223 Wilde barrel. If you are in need of a barrel nitriding service look no further! -Fits barrels with .750 Outer Diameter-Constructed from 4150 hardened steel-Choose No Aero Logo or Aero “A” Logo blocks-Nitride or Phosphate coating-Low profile for easy fitment-Set Screws are Steel 10-32 x 3/16 Knurled Cup Point-Made in the USA-*Roll pin not included* To learn more about Aero Precision and their new Nitride and Phosphate AR15 Gas Blocks. In a PSA build, Iâd choose nitride over plain (non chrome lined) parkerized barrel. id like to know if their barrels are decent quality and will last a good amount of classes or atleast good enough to outperform me as a crappy shooter lol, so i can afford to take more classes to get better . Cerakote vs. Nitride The Corrosion Resistance King In a head-to-head test, Cerakote was put up against Nitride in a salt chamber to see which would be the most corrosion-resistant. Took these pictures at the range on 10/11/18: You have to look hard to see the case head in the chamber, but I wanted to capture the Saint on the BC too. Nitride treats both the inside and the outside of the barrel and does not require any oils to provide the best corrosion protection. www.sst.net Chrome Lining vs. Salt Bath Nitriding: Which Barrel Finish Is Better? Phosphate has been serving the military well for many years and it works very well. Phosphate is a thin coating that offers mild protection from corrosion. Machined from 4150 chrome moly steel with a 1:8 twist rate and nitride finish, this barrel will deliver round after round consistently and accurately. All Rights Reserved. Black Nitride goes by a few names, Ferritic Nitrocarburizing, Melonite, SBN "salt bath nitriding", QCP and Tenifer, that are all names for the same thing, the only difference would be Tenifer, this process is used in Europe with a different cyanide formulation bath "EPA wont allow that in the US". I am thinking about buying a Remington Seven, Savage, or Tikka rifle and getting the rifle finished with something weather resistant. MIL-SPEC is manganese phosphate, which requires oil to provide excellent corrosion resistance on the outside of the barrel. I have two of the $259 kits I bought, both with the phosphate barrel. If ... Phosphate (3) QPQ Nitride (98) Black Teflon (2) December 2016 in General Firearms #1. Phosphate is just fine, requires plenty of lube, but will last a long time. Remember, the surface of the bore alters its chemical structure to become a harder material. You still have to get a good blank. Doc Holliday. Would you nitride/melonite a rifle or cerakote one? AR barrels: Parkerizing/Phosphate vs. Nitride/Melonite. View Profile View Forum Posts View Articles … Nitride has the edge when it comes to smoothness and hardness. Accuracy testing can be a chore, but this is more of a mini-assessment. Nitride chromoly vs stainless barrels Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by AznZOhAn, Aug 26, 2012. The rough phosphate tends to hold the dirt and grit while the Nickel Boron doesn’t seem to as much. Psa premium are fine bcg. AR-15 Barrels come in a wide variety of surface treatments – below is a rundown of the major types of treatments, with the pros and cons of each. Copyright © 1996-2021 AR15.COM LLC. These are PSA Freedom Hammer Forged Barrels - Nitride treated. That should answer your question unless the newer gens have different barrels. I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure. We stock a huge selection of barrels ready to ship right away; trust Arm or Ally© has you covered! The nitride will resist corrosion better and likely last for more rounds. SUBSCRIBE. Stainless steel barrels are used for long range accuracy. Posted On: 31st January 2020; By: lothaen; With 4 Comments; Hello, frenz. -T Jefferson. December 2016 in General Firearms #1. Phosphate vs Nitride These are two of the least expensive finishes available. I'm saying that nitriding DOESN'T make a barrel more accurate. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. As a final step, nitrided barrels are treated with a black oxide finish and can be high gloss or matte depending on the blasting process prior to black oxide. Upper. Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. It'll be scoped, 9x on the top end at the maximum. A Nickel Boron BCG with its slick surface will clean up quite a bit easier and faster than a standard BCG with a phosphate finish. they are 4150v steel, but are not chrome lined and just phosphate finished. Phosphate coating isn’t the best finish for durability and reliability but it ‘s good enough for the vast amount of people. You will still get carbon build up … and s.s. and in accuracy and pressure test barrels and all the feed back I've received back from ammo and bullet makers is that for the most part they see no difference. Mag phos typically has a matte grey finish. It'll have an A2-ish profile. This is the description from sig's website for the 516: "With its chrome-lined, phosphated, military grade barrel and adjustable, four-position gas regulator, the SIG516 incorporates all of the most desirable mechanical improvements." We purchased one of these barrels for a repeat customer of ours in which we built a custom rifle. You can nitride a 4140 barrel and it will hold up very well, often almost as long as a 4150 barrel that is chrome lined. The barrel was a mk25 edition with phosphate coating and chrome lined. This was the case of the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free state. These barrels were designated N1 and N2, respectively. PSA Barrel Coatings. It'll be scoped, 9x on the top end at the maximum. As far as nitrided barrels go, numerous barrels in the IC Featured this and none showed any marked increase in barrel life. In theory one can take a 4140 steel barrel and nitride it and it should perform the same as a nitride treated 4150 steel barrel as both hardness level will be the same. Theory aside, has anyone actually experienced any negative effects that can be attributed to the inferior phosphate finish? If you want that smooth feeling you get from a nitride bcg I’d recomend using a nitride carrier from a reputable company paired with a mil spec phosphate bolt and extractor. 99% sure Op is talking about an unlined phosphate bbl verses Nitride bbl. More. by Steve Adelmann - Saturday, December 30, 2017. Back quick to the cm vs the ss question. What I am saying is that unlike chrome, it doesn't make the barrel's accuracy WORSE. When you compare phosphate vs nitride, this inexpensive option is used in military applications due to its low cost and extreme durability. The inside of the barrel is what I am most concerned with in addition to the finish on a rifle used in bad weather. Share this: … Aero Precision well known for their manufacturing support of the AR-15 platform has announced their latest offering with two new series of Gas blocks.. For the … Phosphate is the standard finish. The Pros and Cons of Nitride Barrel Finishes. ELD Performance LR-308 16" .308, Carbine Gas, .750 Gas, Tapered Profile, 1-10T Nitride Barrel $219.99 $149.99 KAK Industry 8" 9MM Skinny Profile 1-10 T Nitride Finish Barrel AR barrels: Parkerizing/Phosphate vs. Nitride/Melonite. Steve Ostrem goes over the benefits and features of the chrome lined (military) and standard barrels and what is right for you. What are your thoughts and experiences? HC and nitride coating cause the same substrate cracking. I am about 75% done with my first build. It has standard handguards and A2 flash hider. Thompson Center cerakotes carbon steel rifles but I don't think they put anything down the barrel to protect it. AR-15. Most chrome moly barrels that were parkerized in days past are now melonited, which is a fancy name for black nitride. The maximum erosion life of the standard unplated barrels in this test was 12, 476 rounds for Barrel S11. I'm kinda leaning nitride on price and increased corrosion resistance. Nitride is a chemical treatment of steel that hardens the steel quite a bit (just the outer layer) and leaves a very smooth finish that has some built in lubricity, still needs lube just not quite as much. I'm sure this has been asked before. You're no daisy at all. I have both from them. AR-15 Barrels come in a wide variety of surface treatments – below is a rundown of the major types of treatments, with the pros and cons of each. These Ar15 gas blocks are available in a black nitride finish or a standard MILSPEC phosphate coating. Cerakote vs. Nitride The Corrosion Resistance King In a head-to-head test, Cerakote was put up against Nitride in a salt chamber to see which would be the most corrosion-resistant. Chrome has excellent corrosion and abrasion resistant properties, but only coats the inside of the barrel. Each barrel was placed in the salt chamber and after just 8 hours the Nitride finish barrel began to show signs of corrosion. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. I'm kind of excited to shoot out my phosphate PSA bbls. I know Glock and Walther basically nitride carbon steel. Get the top Guns & Ammo stories delivered right to your inbox every week. Nitride chromoly vs stainless barrels Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by AznZOhAn, Aug 26, 2012. 633 0 0. Thread Pattern: 5/8 x 24. Today I have a mini post to share with you some light accuracy testing of the PSA 20 inch nitrided barrel assembly. Rated 5 out of 5. Perfect for target shooters and hog hunters, the 6.5 Grendel is known for its extreme accuracy and top-tier ballistic performance. 633 0 0. Proud Poop Flinging Gremlin. Over time, it tends to catch tiny debris and it’s little harsher on the surrounding aluminum receiver. Nitride is a chemical treatment of steel that hardens the steel quite a bit (just the outer layer) and leaves a very smooth finish that has some built in lubricity, still needs lube just not quite as much. Smith and Wesson nitrides stainless steel for their M&P line. You get a more heat resistant steel and have the bonus of nitride treatment for hardness and corrosion resistance. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. But if the nitride barrel is 4150 and the phosphate barrel is 4140, then there is no debate at all, go with the 4150 steel that is also nitride treated. There wear resistance part is a wash too, the only parts of the carrier that applies to are the pads which ride in the reciever. This article is part 5 of a 5-part series about AR-15 barrels. The new Freedom Hammer Forged barrels are not made by FN, they are PSA barrels. Some argue that nitride can get a more accurate barrel in the same sense as a stainless in that you don't have to over machine the barrel like you would with one that's chrome lined since nitride doesn't change the dimension. PSA has some great prices, but I'm not sure of the practical differences between the phosphate and nitride finish. Phosphate vs Nitride finish I've got the urge to pick up a few uppers sometime soon. Budget-conscious buyers who want something that works and can overlook some details like perfect finishing and dead-on accuracy Personally, meh. Say you're going to buy a 16" chrome moly barrel for you AR, use will be general shooting, plinking, toting around and shooting. When searching for a bolt carrier group to purchase, you will run across NiB or nickel boron. I would have preferred the nitride barrels, but both time I went to order they were OOS. - Criterion Barrels Gas System Length: Midlength. Black Nitride is becoming more common and slowly replacing the parkerizing of steel parts. Rubbing against anodized aluminum that has the hardness approaching tungsten carbide is going to wear away NiB too. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. Barrel Nitriding vs Chrome Lining. "You're no daisy! Every citizen should be a soldier. Phosphate vs Nitride finish; If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. 01-12-17, 12:00 #4. wildcard600. breamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,511 Senior Member. Nickel Boron. Aero Precision is also offering these AR15 gas blocks in .750, .625,.875, and .936 diameters.. ELD Performance LR-308 16" .308, Carbine Gas, .750 Gas, Tapered Profile, 1-10T Nitride Barrel $219.99 $149.99 KAK Industry 8" 9MM Skinny Profile 1-10 T Nitride Finish Barrel This article is part 5 of a 5-part series about AR-15 barrels. Back in stock a day or so later of course. Barrel Length: 18" Twist Rate: 1:8. Barrel nitriding and polishing creates a black coating that is resistant to corrosion and withstands extreme temperatures. We've made ammunition test barrels in both c.m. South Texas Arms (verified owner) – August 25, 2020. On my first build I have a Vltor MUR upper, Mega forged lower, Noveske NSR handguard, Loki weapons lower parts kits, and a Loki 16" nitrided chromoly barrel. Nitriding is a surface conversion process whereby manufacturers submerge the barrel in a nitrogen-sodium solution and heat to a high temperature, u sually between 750 and 1200 degrees. CL barrels are FN and Colt, Nitride are BA and PSA (the 10.5", probably made by BA but not certain). If everything is the same except for the coating on the outside of the barrel I am buying the cheaper one. Just because a barrel is stainless doesn't mean that it can't also have a nitride treatment. Thanks! id like to know if their barrels are decent quality and will last a good amount of classes or atleast good enough to outperform me as a crappy shooter lol, so i can afford to take more classes to get better . Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by razorback2003, Aug 23, 2015. That has the twist/profile & gas system length I want. razorback2003 Member. There wear resistance part is a wash too, the only parts of the carrier that applies to are the pads which ride in the reciever. ©2020 Outdoor Sportsman Group. 1 review for 18″ / 6.5 Grendel / 1:8. Cheapest available in the twist and contour I wanted from a maker I trust. Hence, nitride is the superior treatment unless you have a … From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. The M4 profile barrel is phosphate coated to Mil-Spec and has been High Pressure tested as well as Magnetic Particle inspected. Nitride is billed as doing everything that chrome does but cheaper and supposedly has an advantage in that it's a treatment as supposed to a layer upon the metal like chrome plating. Reason #3 - Aesthetic The black nitride treatment is very durable and highly resistant to wear and it will not flake because it is not a coating. One thing that makes Nitriding Superior the disposal cost of what is not used. This might be part of the accuracy problem using a 52gr bullet for this upper. NitrideInstead of adding material to the bore (like Chrome … Each barrel was placed in the salt chamber and after just 8 hours the Nitride finish barrel began to show signs of corrosion. Is very innacurate. That is due to the way phosphorus reacts with low carbon, which can cause embrittlement. We're going to find out at what point this rifle will fail and take a look at what the barrel will look like when we get done with it. The BCG on the right gives you a sense of what the rougher texture phosphate looks like. There for corrosion protection and nothing else. It looks like you're new here. The nitride barrel life is all dependent on how you treat it. I have a PSA 10.5" nitride upper on an AR pistol (Anderson lower, PSA pistol built kit) with no complaints, it has eaten everything I've fed it thus far. I used a Nitrite BCG in my last build, after a few thousand rounds looks like new. This is where the rubber meets the roa d. The real benefit of nitriding is that you get better corrosion resistance than chrome, on both the inside and outside, at a lower cost, without affecting accuracy. Right now kinda comparing apples to apples with a ba hanson barrel they have either a nitride or chrome lined barrel/phosphate coated barrel difference being about a 100 dollars in price. 08-10-2018, 01:56 PM #2. CLICK HERE . 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